Monday, 14 April 2025

Using Very High Rockwell Rated Blades. Practical Considerations

 Using Very High to Super High Rockwell Rated Blades. Practical Considerations for Super High* Rockwell Rated Knives


I own 5  high Rockwell rated knives (my Linder Super Edge knives). See below some example images:




The rest of my knives fall into HRC 55-58, 


Some examples: (some random Spanish made knives I own)






so from HRC 58-59  I will say these are high Rockwell knives.

For example:

                                                     Extrema Ratio TASK HRC 58
                                                         Extrema Ratio ONTOS HRC 58
                                                         FKMD FX 131 Pro Hunter HRC 58
                                           FKMD Combat Survival Knife HRC 58
    Kizlyar Supreme STURM HRC 58 (depends upon which steel model as it's offered in several different alloys up to HRC 63)

 Any knife rated above HRC 59  is very high hardness knife 

just another example:

                                    TRC K1 ELMAX HRC 59-60 (no longer made in this form)
Cutting close to the ground will test a knife's edge holding capacity. Ask any mushroom forager!

                   Strider MFS Hitachi ATS-34 HRC greater than 60 (no longer made in this form)

                                         Legion 14 Knives Custom made HRC >60 (Sleipner tool steel)

and any thing like HRC 63 and above are Super High Rockwell knives.

The new (2025) Extrema Ratio Ontos II S600 tool steel. HRC 64- I threw dirt water and tough materials at this knife for just over 3 weeks duration (check my review on @BushCampingtools)

This Ontos II is currently the only knife I own which has such an extremely high Rockwell hardness of HRC 64

These are somewhat arbitrary ratings. An average metal working file has a Rockwell of approximately: HRC 60-64, sometimes HRC 65 for special files. So one can see that a knife whose HRC is 64 is capable of cutting metal!

EDGE MAINTENANCE

In terms of edge maintenance, it is generally considered very poor practice to use any knife until the edge turns blunt. Let me define "blunt" as a knife edge which will not cut any common materials even with excessive force applied by the hand alone. 

However, a "dull" edge on the other hand may cut such similar objects, however not without undue resistance and or resulting on some damage to those objects. The consequences of this "damage" may or may not be of any relevance to the task at hand.

It's probably clear that sharpening any knife at home will provide the optimal circumstances in terms of time taken and equipment utilized. The reason here is that if one is sharpening at home, it means you are not generally in a hurry to use the knife/axe/machete etc.and one can work without time constraints looking over your shoulder! 

In contrast, there are 2 types of field sharpening: One is when you are based around a vehicle and other is when you have no vehicle; for example you are backpacking in and limited by what equipment you can logistically carry. 

Clearly when you have driven to your site (eg hunting base/campsite) you can basically bring as they say "everything but the kitchen sink", and thus equip yourself with all but motorised sharpening devices (ok, bring a generator and go crazy with belt sharpening tools LOL).

I will focus upon the second type of scenario where one is limited to what is carried upon their backs.

In terms of hiking to camping sites,  I know no one personally who has independently remained away from civilisation for more than 10 days unaided by others dropping food/fuel, equipment etc. and requires a knife for such existence. Long distance trekking doesn't count as usually one will at some point encounter other trekkers and thus can be aided by others.  Hiking well travelled trails also doesn't count as it's possible (and often done) to replenish stocks/swap materials etc. during such long hikes.  Bike touring remote regions around the globe does count speaking from personal experience. 

Essentially we are limited to where and how long we can travel, by the amount of water we can either carry or find along the way. 



The only activities where I would consider it necessary to resharpen a knife would be for hunting and fishing purposes along with long distance bicycle touring in remote regions, where one's knife can encounter hard bone, scales rocks (fishing) etc., be also used around the camp to prepare meals and or used to prepare a fire (not your fishing knives LOL) etc. 

It could be possible to dull these edges of say a HRC 55-58 knives if these activities occurred at a high frequency or there were "accidents" from striking something very hard. 

However, with careful usage I could go a week out and not have to resharpen the edge at all because in reality unless you are working on a "process line" you are simply not going to be dulling an edge of a quality outdoor knife IMHO in such a short period of time.


This brings me to the point of super high Rockwell knives.


Recently on the channel @BushCampingTools, I demonstrated the use of a knife (the Extrema ratio ONTOS II S600) both during the night and day for just over 3 weeks duration, showing some things which may be encountered requiring the use of a sharp knife. Such as but limited to: making other tools for example digging sticks to avoid using a knife as a shovel; cutting up various food stuffs; chopping (in the absence of a saw or hatchet) trees  down to build structures; Extracting coconut water for drinking and or further food preparation in the absence or limited freshwater availability. I've actually done this latter activity in real life for several months subsisting upon coconut water for both cooking and drinking however, we used  a machete for this purpose! During the above tests of the ONTOS II S600, 


                                           Knife as seen after the second week of testing

the edge was not sharpened/stropped nor was it sharpened/stropped upon arrival from the manufacturer, so as not to bias the test results. At HRC 64 this edge did not dull at all and why not? After all, at HRC 64, such a hardness, this edge could cut metals (of lower hardness) without damage.

Some have suggested this type of steel hardened to such high Rockwell values would not be suitable for long term survival usage due to the difficulty of resharpening in the field. I would argue based upon what I've already said above that this would not be the case. During a long term stay in the field one is to be more care with what they cut and how they treat their tools in general to provide a maximum longevity, especially to edged tools. In fact, I have done this with a 3 month stay in the field subsisting between acquiring food via money with fishing and foraging during those in between periods. We were very careful with how we treated our knives and in fact we had zero equipment other than stones to sharpen any knife during this entire term. So this brings me to the point of what can one do in order to keep sharp such high Rockwell knife edges whilst during prolonged journeys away from home?

Firstly, as I said, don't let the knife edge go dull. Bring a strip of leather or even better still, wear a good quality leather belt to use as a stropping surface. Carry (and it takes no room and could easily possibly last over a year with careful use, a small quantity of diamond stropping agent, say around 3000 grit (see below).

For example but not limited to:


#WorkTuffGear / #JENDE Diamond honing products.


3000 grit diamond compound will definitely hone the edge of a steel at 64HRC against a quality leather strop. In fact it will do better than hone but actually remove material as apposed to simply polishing the edge.

So what is considered sharp for a knife edge?


If a knife edge will cut with almost no effort the following objects then you can take it as very sharp:

Shave leg hairs

easily cut tomato skin

easily cut mango skin

easily cut fish skin

(forget paper as paper as a test as it is fibrous and even if the knife edge is  not super sharp, one the cut begins the structure of the paper will help for it to grab against the edge of the knife and aid the cut, whereas the above objects the materials are no fibrous in nature.

Probably most people can access a tomato with todays global trade, maybe a mango is hard to find and maybe you live where you can't fish or buy fresh fish. Don't go crazy cutting paper and cardboard as most cardboards and papers have clay mineral fillers and these will only serve to unnecessarily dull your knife edge. But if that's your thing then don't let me stop you.


@Bushcampingtools seen here fishing a 70km long (uninhabited-save for a dozen houses at the entrance) beach on Eastern Australia



* In a nutshell: Don't let them go blunt!







Thursday, 10 April 2025

The role of tool steels in outdoor knife production

 The role of tool steels in outdoor knife production*

*meaning Not for custom knife production, as this area it is impossible to know who is using what steels/experimenting etc..


A new kid on the block appears to be S600 aka AISI M2. We now have the well known Italian manufacturer Extrema Ratio, producing several of their proven models which are made with stainless HSS N690 but now also using  Böhler's S600 High speed tool steel for the same models.


If you are familiar with M2, S600 can be hardened to over HRC 65. Much research has been done about M2 and S600 over the years, specifically in regards to optimising the heat treatment parameters


Optimisation of such parameters is of course not only beneficial to the machining industry but can also benefit that of outdoor knife manufacturers. 

Here's a list of some common tool steels.

A2 (similar to D2 both subject to corrosion)

O1 An "Old fashioned" tool steel for knife manufacture.

M43? Usage unknown.

A7 (high vanadium content version of A2) the use in outdoor knives unknown-little data.

D7  (high vanadium content version of D2) the use in outdoor knives unknown-little data. Some custom knife production?

SK85 (HSS) Low chromium content  Used by WorkTuffGear for some super hardcore knives. Obviously not a stainless steel.

M2 AISI (HSS) similar to S600 both are non stainless with only 4% chromium and this possibly affords some resistance to organic acids (Plant juices!), although a patina can be quick to develop however, this has zero practical effect upon the edge retention.

S600 (HSS) As commonly (in industry) used high speed tool steels: high Tungsten, high Vanadium and Molybdenum tool steel containing 4% Chromium. Capable of being hardened above HRC65. 

Consequently S600 requires exacting heat treatment parameters to be adhered to in order to maximise it's desired end qualities. M2 and S600 heat treatment regimes have been studied for many years and there is clearly still much to learn about this steel alloy.

D2 A tried and trusted low Cr (12%) semi-stainless tool steel whose migration into edged outdoor tools is well received and other variants such as K340 & K110 and different configurations of production eg ISODUR ie electro slag production producing a more homogenous end product.

N690 (a high speed stainless tool steel and like all High Speed Steels (HSS) can operate at high speeds without loss of temper and retain stainless properties (harness dependent)

3V a Powder metallurgical produced steel. Therefore elemental constituents more accurately controlled for a better homogeneity   

C-0.8% Cr 7.5% V 2.75% Mo 1.3%

A brief note about PM steels.

Powder Metallurgical Steels are quite in vogue because they purportedly provide excellent desirable edge holding characteristics in terms of long wear. As to date however (and I do own several PM knives) I'm yet to see any serious scientific evaluation of these knives. That is comparing exact edge and blade profiles of knives (more than an "n" number of one) to those of a non PM steel construction. This is the only non biased way to say for sure if PM steels are better or noticeably better than non-PM steels in outdoor knives. 

Certainly, it is far easier to compare data from machining tools as they can be made exactly identical, a group of non PM steel Vs PM steel cutting the same objects and the cutting is of course identical because it is done by a machine and not the human hand. I have to put on my scientist's cap here because saying otherwise about outdoor knife evaluation is simply not statistically valid, nor is it scientifically correct; it is only hearsay with a heavy bias from manufacturer's marketing literature.  In the machining world the object is to be able to use for as long as possible tools which show little failure and produce the best possible products without having to be constantly exchanged and hence break production runs These requirements are not necessary for outdoor knife usage. So many of the benefits of PM steel are more relevant to that in the machining world than that of the knife industry, exceptions being for the production of industrial cutting blades.


Monday, 7 April 2025

Knives made with S600 High Speed tool steel

 Knives made with S600 tool steel

Example Knife:

Extrema Ratio ONTOS II S600



S600 (Böhler) or generic M2 tool steels are high Tungsten, High Mo and High Vanadium content high speed tool steels with a carbon content around 0.9% and a chromium content around 4%. These are industry proven high speed steels synonymous in the machining world. 


S600 has been formulated to be hardened right up to  HRC 67 (Possibly harder?) and as such much research has been conducted upon not only this version but also that of M2 to enable metallurgists to optimise the grain structure of such alloys. There is a current great interest in the use of various cryogenic treatments from spraying liquid nitrogen to deep cryogenic processes of greater than 24 hour treatments in order to maximise the transition of austenite to martensite. As such, there is a much opportunity to exploit the physical properties of S600 (as shown in the table below- from Böhler): 

for the use of this alloy in the manufacture of long lasting sharp blades for outdoor usage. S600 unlike many other tool steels can be optimised for hardening at very high Rockwell values. 

For example, high chromium alloys for which Rockwell values exceed HRC 58, resistance to corrosion is lost as the HRC exceeds 58 and even at 58, for example N690 a high cobalt stainless steel will begin to show signs of corrosion if the blade is left unattended after exposure to saltwater and or water either vapour or in liquid form (not to mention corrosive organic substances; eg saps, etc. Hence for N690 to be of any benefit for outdoor knife production HRC 58 is probably the practical limit to such an alloy for outdoor knives, in order to still capitalise upon good stainless properties.


Since S600 (and M2) have little chromium present, it serves less for providing resistance to corrosive chemical action. 

The Practical Tests Conducted*

We conducted practical tests, using an S600 made knife for which the entire blade was Teflon coated with exception of the cutting edge. This product had been heat treated and cryogenically treated for a HRC value of 64. The specific cryogenic treatment was not disclosed. The knife (meaning the entire steel structure) was exposed to high humidity for a period of almost 3 weeks; exposed to heavy rain (the main blade); water rinsing and or wiping the blade clean (via inspection by eye only) after cutting various organic substances containing saps and or resins, whether food based or not.

Since the Teflon coating during this period remained undamaged, it provided ample exclusion of air and or any liquids coming in contact with untreated steel. The only untreated steel was that of the actual blade cutting surface, which we will refer to as "the edge". Despite such treatment, which by the way, was exactly the same as we conduct upon any stainless steel alloys (with the exception of seawater exposure), examination of the edge of this S600 knife showed negligible effects of corrosion. In fact in a few small places (less than 5mm from one entire side of the edge) there were a few dark patina staining marks, which were not removed by wiping the edge against a paper hand towel. 

Surface staining/Patina more than likely induced via plant saps/resins.


Closer examination at > X 4 magnification, surface rusting in the form of orange brown stains were also observed and also noted to be staining rather than any kind of corrosive pitting. Previously with similar testing to an M2 knife (Work Tuff Gear) which had not been coated in Teflon, this blade too showed some patina marks which were also negligible in surface area. 

What kinds of materials were cut/encountered?

Entire green coconuts (with exposure to the coconut water)

Green rainforest timber-entire trunks**

Green cypress timber

Green palm fronds

Wild chives

Living bracket fungi (Sheep's foot fungus)

Raw beef

Preserved salted dry meats

Cabbage

Green grass-specifically Paspalum sp.

Dry birch bark

Fat wood from Pinus sp.

Seasoned Eucalyptus (hardwoods)

Seasoned Australian native species (hardwoods)

Termite material

Ficus species (living branches)

Cutting against HDPE commercial chopping boards

Cutting against Bamboo cutting boards

Cutting against dry palm bracts


Images of blade surface


Edge Chipping.

Zero evidence of chipping!



Summary


Was the blade still deadly sharp after approximately 3 weeks of serious outdoor treatment?


Answer:


YES- deadly sharp. 

Did the Teflon coating: breakdown, peel, show signs of damage after a 3 week intense period of usage?


Answer:


NO




Conclusions:


With nothing but basic care this S600 blade (Extrema Ratio ONTOS II S600) performed flawlessly. The extremely minor amount of patina was to be expected from a non stainless steel blade after exposure to the range of materials listed above. It is clear that with the appropriated heat treatment a knife blade can indeed be hardened to HRC 64 and retain sufficient toughness and durability of the edge after encountering a broad range of materials thus enabling such an alloy to be used with great success for high Rockwell rated outdoor blades.



It should of course be noted that to allow such a high Rockwell blade to actually go blunt would be a big mistake and require some effort to resharpen the edge. It is recommended that a maintenance "strop" be conducted based upon usage. As we found it still extremely sharp after all of this work, we can not say what sort of time period would be expected to strop, since it was still so super sharp. In reality, I doubt anyone would use a knife at such a high frequency as we did for these tests and therefore, the edge longevity would be very long for S600 at HRC 64.


BCT will keep you posted here as to the "when" we have to strop the edge of this blade!



* for the full practical tests, see the upcoming video field review of this knife made from S600 Tungsten tool steel on @BushCampingTools


So Stay Tuned!


** all cutting or felling of trees was conducted upon our own farmland property.


Here is the video you've been waiting for:




Wednesday, 19 March 2025

Why is the head of the New Extrema Ratio Breeching Axe shaped like it is?

 Why is the head of the New Extrema Ratio Breeching Axe shaped like it is?







The heads of breeching axes are generally of one type, ie modelled around some sort of traditional tomahawk and or regular axe. This means that for most of these heads, the cutting surface is rounded (convex). 

As far as the most efficient penetrative action goes:.....

In fact, the better cutting surface for the best penetration into steel sheeting will be the head design of the Extrema Ratio breeching Axe/tool. 

WHY? Because the first point of impact will be the apex of the two intersecting "straight blade" surfaces. At this point we have P=F/A, where P=pressure and F= force and A is of course equal to the "area". Thus from simple physics we can see that at an extremely small point, massive pressure will be developed upon impact. 

This will aid the penetration of the axe head into anything it contacts. The same principal is in affect for how arrowheads/spears penetrate objects.



Stay tuned for more on this subject......





BCT

Monday, 17 March 2025

Mardingtop 75 L Tactical back Pack Field Test and Why Most BackPacks These Days are Not Built to Last.

 Mardingtop 75 L Tactical back Pack (REAL) Field Test by Mrs BushCampingTools

....and Why Most BackPacks These Days are Not Built to Last.


Quite frankly, I had never heard of this pack manufacturer before last week. It is of course a Chinese luggage manufacturer who according to their literature specialises in tactical styled packs. This model is about to actually "take part" on a real "mission" and so in one months time we shall see if it "handled the pace" or not. 

The specs sound and look ok: When I mean by "look", that means I've actually seen the pack with my own two eyes, not on internet pictures.

All major seams/stitching are covered/protected, YKK zippers and buckles are used throughout and bar tack stitching is used for stress points. The fabric is 600D polyester according to their literature. 


I've always been a big fan of Cordura but we all know, very few packs these days feature heavy denier Cordura due to the price from Koch of the raw materials. In fact IMHO many pack manufactures want their products to fail within probably less than 5 years. It's not "like the old days" where manufacturer's like Macpac (before they went woke) made almost indestructible packs from a type of canvas material, super abrasion resistant and waterproof without a polymer coating. 

Heck, I got over 25 years from my Macpac Ascent and it had travelled the world been to > 5000m, trekked,  hiked and camped all over the place and repaired once after 20 years for FREE by them! 

Those days are over! Like just look at the WOOSY Deuter Guide models available now! They would be lucky to last one season of serious use. My old Deuter Guide 35 is still hanging in there and NO damage to the pack fabric! This is of course NOT a great way to make gear because if a customer only buys a product once every 20 years then you'll soon go broke as a manufacturer if that's all you're relying upon for sales. Nope 5 years tops then it must fall apart. It's pointless to think otherwise in our disposable world (I'm not saying this is right but i am saying this is how it is).

So in short many pack manufacturers today do not use Cordura as a routine pack fabric. (eg my Deuter Guide 35 Plus -using proprietary fabrics).



QUESTION:

Anyway how did this "no name brand" approx $140-00 USD backpack get chosen?

No I'm not being racist as I'm I've got Chinese genes floating around my body.

ANSWER:

In a hurry that's how due to the urgency of this notice because other brands could not be acquired at a moments notice, that's why and not wanting to spend a fortune as the pack may get destroyed?











Quoted from Mardingtop: (note it does not say anything  about other types of end use.)

"making it perfect for hiking, trekking, camping, and climbing adventures."


Now to be fair: with care, modern computerised industrial sewing machines and quality fabrics, along with skilled labour, and good design, there is NO REASON why a quality pack can not be made.......... BY ANYONE.



So stick around for the results after about a month??? Who knows???


Second attempt Logistics completed packed ready to move out!









Getting ready to fly again! Best to wrap the straps as this is the safest thing for a rucksack for air travel if you can do this.









There was NO charge for this service! As the machine operator was all for the humanitarian aid mission this pack was going on!







BCT


PS I will only be reporting on this "test".So check back for pictures en route.


Ok it survived several airport baggage handlers and machines


No straps broken. Laden with 21Kg at present.

After 2 international airports








So far it has survived 4 bus trips and 2 international airports, that means being thrown into and out of plane holds multiple times by the "baggage testers" from hell! AKA the baggage handlers. 



Deployed

This bag currently on a humanitarian aid mission